Why doesn't slowscar just drop kick the extinct pushrod v8's into the grave where they've belonged for the past 25 years and change over to fuel-injection? That would be a better thing to do since fuel-injection is how things are going in teh car market today instead of antiquated pushrods.

Even Darrel Waltrip mentioned several months ago that he thinks crapcar should switch to fuel injected engines.

Fuel-injection is here to stay so in order to remain interesting (NASCAR is the most boring racing in the world nowadays IMHO) those stock cars need to make the switch.

Of course to me, IndyCar is still the pinnacle and Grande Damme of American Motor Sport and will remain so for the foreseeable future even with the problems they're having.

When The Indycars do make the shift back to 800-900 horsepower engines like they used to have, I predict that NASCAR will revert back to its second place status.

Fine - anything you like, as long as it gets you to stop making technical comments.

A bit off topic-Anyone ever looked into to what the overall carbon footprint is of a hybrid, with their nickel metal hydride batteries? It's kind of scary.

It'd be interesting if there was another alternate, alternative fuel out there getting the financial backing and press that the current alt fuels are receiving. Such as synthetic fuel made from coal, which the Germans were doing in WW2, that could be easily burned by reciprocating piston non diesel engines. That syn fuel could be the target 'green' fuel, or if nothing else, US produced fuel. After all, 'green' seems to be in bed with 'foreign dependence'

Unfortunately, when I hear our gov't talk about 'green', I get the same feeling when they mention, 'jobs' or 'education'. They are merely their political agendas based off of what special interest group paid for their last campaign, and are basically short sighted, smoke and mirrored lip service blurbs with little merit. But I digress...

Fuel injection and/or changing rewriting the engine rules would kill NASCAR at this point without any dollars flooding in from the manufacturers. Changing the types of fuels burned though, wouldn't be as costly, and could get invaluable positive press, IMO.

Without the technical aspect, you might as well watch WWF. You get all the bad guys, all the gossip, and all the entertainment. NASCAR is in the racing business, not entertainment. If they think they can keep running old technology, and keep the fans interested, then they'll end up with the same fate as GM. Can you imagine carburators, not turbo, no OHC 50 years from now? When's the last time you wanted to see someone race Model T's?

You're obviously uninformed. There is a great deal of information available about the technical side of NASCAR racing ... all you have to do is look for it.

Doesn't criticism of NASCAR itself and it's policies belong on the other board?

AJames - 13 July 2009 06:19 PM

NASCAR is in the racing business, not entertainment.

SCCA is in the racing business. So are Frank Williams and Ferrari.

Nascar's primary focus is entertainment. Period. Otherwise there would be no Chase, no side by side restarts, no 'Lucky Dog'.

Prior to the ALMS, the last real racing series' in the US were Champ Car/CART, Trans AM and the heyday of IMSA in the late 80's thru 1991 or so.

You want technology and a focus on the racing, watch F1 and ALMS. All the rest is entertainment with race cars.

red376 - 13 July 2009 07:13 AM

A bit off topic-Anyone ever looked into to what the overall carbon footprint is of a hybrid, with their nickel metal hydride batteries? It's kind of scary.

It'd be interesting if there was another alternate, alternative fuel out there getting the financial backing and press that the current alt fuels are receiving. Such as synthetic fuel made from coal, which the Germans were doing in WW2, that could be easily burned by reciprocating piston non diesel engines. That syn fuel could be the target 'green' fuel, or if nothing else, US produced fuel. After all, 'green' seems to be in bed with 'foreign dependence'

Unfortunately, when I hear our gov't talk about 'green', I get the same feeling when they mention, 'jobs' or 'education'. They are merely their political agendas based off of what special interest group paid for their last campaign, and are basically short sighted, smoke and mirrored lip service blurbs with little merit. But I digress...

Fuel injection and/or changing rewriting the engine rules would kill NASCAR at this point without any dollars flooding in from the manufacturers. Changing the types of fuels burned though, wouldn't be as costly, and could get invaluable positive press, IMO.

It isn't so much the footprint of the fuel, as it is the footprint of the company that makes an alternate fuel and what they have to burn to create it. As they are finding out about ethanoyl. Takes 3/4 of a gallon of gasoline to make 1 gallon of the stuff. These companies are going to killed with cap and trade bill if it passes the senate.
Steel (the 4130 used to make the frames an d suspension pieces) will have to come from China or some other place, as an America steel company will be a thing of the past under this bill. Engine molding companies will fall to the same fate, and highly expensive to as purchasing the carbon credits will make the process move to another country. The footprint is way too high to comform.
10 years from now, Nascar and all of racing as we see it, will be far different in the US. That is if racing as we know it now, survives the coming legislation.
If your a racing fan, you need to be on top of this bill and call your senator to stop it. It must not pass. GM and Chrysler being government owed is bad enough, but this bill will kill Nascar and most of US racing within 10 years.

speedsense - 13 July 2009 10:48 PM

red376 - 13 July 2009 07:13 AM

A bit off topic-Anyone ever looked into to what the overall carbon footprint is of a hybrid, with their nickel metal hydride batteries? It's kind of scary.

It'd be interesting if there was another alternate, alternative fuel out there getting the financial backing and press that the current alt fuels are receiving. Such as synthetic fuel made from coal, which the Germans were doing in WW2, that could be easily burned by reciprocating piston non diesel engines. That syn fuel could be the target 'green' fuel, or if nothing else, US produced fuel. After all, 'green' seems to be in bed with 'foreign dependence'

Unfortunately, when I hear our gov't talk about 'green', I get the same feeling when they mention, 'jobs' or 'education'. They are merely their political agendas based off of what special interest group paid for their last campaign, and are basically short sighted, smoke and mirrored lip service blurbs with little merit. But I digress...

Fuel injection and/or changing rewriting the engine rules would kill NASCAR at this point without any dollars flooding in from the manufacturers. Changing the types of fuels burned though, wouldn't be as costly, and could get invaluable positive press, IMO.

It isn't so much the footprint of the fuel, as it is the footprint of the company that makes an alternate fuel and what they have to burn to create it. As they are finding out about ethanoyl. Takes 3/4 of a gallon of gasoline to make 1 gallon of the stuff. These companies are going to killed with cap and trade bill if it passes the senate.
Steel (the 4130 used to make the frames an d suspension pieces) will have to come from China or some other place, as an America steel company will be a thing of the past under this bill. Engine molding companies will fall to the same fate, and highly expensive to as purchasing the carbon credits will make the process move to another country. The footprint is way too high to comform.
10 years from now, Nascar and all of racing as we see it, will be far different in the US. That is if racing as we know it now, survives the coming legislation.
If your a racing fan, you need to be on top of this bill and call your senator to stop it. It must not pass. GM and Chrysler being government owed is bad enough, but this bill will kill Nascar and most of US racing within 10 years.

I agree 100% This bill shouldn't just be important for race fans, but Americans. I will stop before I get too political, but yes, you're correct.

AJames - 13 July 2009 06:19 PM

Without the technical aspect, you might as well watch WWF. You get all the bad guys, all the gossip, and all the entertainment. NASCAR is in the racing business, not entertainment. If they think they can keep running old technology, and keep the fans interested, then they'll end up with the same fate as GM. Can you imagine carburators, not turbo, no OHC 50 years from now? When's the last time you wanted to see someone race Model T's?

The average racefan and the average citizen doesn't care or even give it an effort to understand technology or how an engine works. As long as it makes a lot of noise and produces a lot of power they will be happy and can careless how it is produced.

Society is general is pretty lazy and ignorant and won't lift a finger to research something if it doesn't directly affect their own lives.

NASCAR's stance, which I tend to agree with, how would fuel injection help the on track product?