Enough with the "Is it stock" nonsense! Do you like the racing or not? If you do then watch it and enjoy. If you don't then watch something else. Are any of you really stupid enough to invest hours of your time, on a weekend besides, watching something that irritates you because it is not "exactly" what the name implies?

Nascar hasn't been "stock car" racing for years... really what they are is "spec" racing. up until the early 80 the cars they raced were what you could buy at the dealership. But they have changed to a spec car, spec engine(from different makes) technically different, but whatever. the differences you can't see with the eye. Nascar has watered down everything so much its not even enjoyable...And on top of that, the idea of phantom "debris" cautions, dispicable, no wonder people are not tuning in to the races.

come on tools, get with it. Nascar doesn't care if you like what they are doing, they are not going to change it. So what if its not stock, they have there vanilla racing, and its here to stay. So, if you tune in to watch a good race, probably not going to happen, if you tune in to see your favorite driver, then so be it, but as to have a lot of enjoyment out of a Nascar race, good luck with that. Nascar has a lot of faults, and they just seem to get a pass with it, sickening, nothing is perfect, but what they have now is crap, bring back the old car. much better racing....new car = rubbish.

^Thank You for answering the question in my previous posting. It's the one that starts out "Are any of you...".

Black Flag - 03 August 2009 04:40 PM

Is Nascar really stock car racing?

No. Hasn't been for thrity years. It is "Spec Racing".

The real question is: Do you like to watch it, Y/N? If so, do. If not, dont.

What it is called is not relevant.

This guy is brilliant, he said it best. Don't ya' think?

Maelochs - 23 July 2009 06:37 PM

The "competition" yellows are to prevent a real race from breaking out within NASCAR carefully choreographed show.

Sometimes in real racing on e car is better, and the driver is having a good night, and the set-up is just right, and that driver pulls far ahead of everyone else. That's racing; a fast, reliable, stable car with a good driver will be faster than slower, less reliable, less stable cars.

But NASCAR doesn't like that. So NASCAR throws a full-course caution to bring the leaders back to the pack, and allows a lapped car to join up on the lead lap. This way the guys at the back race hard even if they can't get out of 40th place, just so they aren't last.

And the guys at the front can try to cheat - I mean, anticipate - the restart, and get ahead of the faster car, or ram him, and push him into the wall or off the track. Fans love this.

I mean, what kind of world would it be, if the fastest driver in the fastest car won? If winning races was more about driving skill and engineering expertise and not about being able to carefully ram a car so he crashed and you didn't? What kind of racing would that be?

Some people really like the spectacle called "NASCAR racing." I am glad for them. But the rules are designed to produce entertainment of a certain type, not a race, which could go any which way. So long as the fans like that type of entertainment, NASCAR is doing just fine.

And for people who don't enjoy that, there are other kinds of autosports where cars and drivers compete at driving and racing. No problem there either.

Whatever kind of motorsports you like, glad you do. There is a lot of enjoyment to be had there.

Too bad you have no clue as to what a "competition yellow" is. Nascar doesn't randomly throw competition yellows. They are pre-determined and set to take place on a specific lap within the first 40 miles of a race. It has absolutely nothing to do with tightening the field. They use a competition yellow to allow teams to A)check tire wear as a safety precaution because there's been an unusual amount of excessive wear in practice B) make setup changes to their cars due to track conditions substantially changing since qualifying.
The competition yellow is mainly a safety measure and at the same time allows teams to make some quick adjustments that they couldn't make after post qualifying impound, which makes for better racing.

Before you Nascar critics try to explain something you know nothing about, you may want to get your facts straight if you want to be considered credible. Seriously. . . my 8 and 9 year old boys know what a competition yellow is.

Of course NASCAR could just as easily mandate a 4-tire green flag pit stop 35-40 miles into the race instead of using a caution...

Stock in name only nowadays... Getting to be spec racing... Wait I think that has already happened! Thanks Car of Tomorrow!:lol:

pontiactim43, I'm going to take issue with you. Money and power rule NASCAR rule making and they are about entertainment as Maelochs so clearly stated. For me, I say simply, stock car racing should be for stock cars. 3500 lbs weight limits allow a lot of interpretation of what a stock car needs to be. If you don't make a RWD two door sedan then run FWD. Your V8 or V6 needs to be production based, so NASCAR specials would be outlawed. If you think NASCAR stars wouldn't be entertaining, I suggest you look at Australian Supercars and imagine a grid full of those. Ask Marcos Ambrose for some references. It would work and it would be a blast. Won't happen because of NASCAR money and power and a significant lack of vision on their part. Our loss.