Hazardous - 05 November 2009 10:47 AM

hahahahaha nice joke.. he was 3 or 5 seconds ahead and after the pitstop he was 1'5 seconds slower.. and if you saw that race you sould remmember the radio of rubbens "Wtf happen with the car" "nothing rubbens keep going ( sorry but Jenson MUST win) "
Remmember Singapore pitstop, remmeber japan pitstop, remmember BARCELONA,
Maybe you English people are the only who doesnt want to see it...

But what about all the times it was Button complaining about the car on the radio with Rubens out ahead beating him? Remember Button on the radio at Hungary "How can this car be so bad at the moment?".

Rubens lost at Barcelona for the simple reason that he wasn't fast enough in the middle section of the race, same thing happened at Nurburgring, Rubens himself acknowledged that fact.

At Brazil what really screwed Rubens was when he came out after his 1st stop & got passed by Vettel, Rubens lost 1.6 second on his out-lap alone as a result of Vettel driving round the outside & having to defend from Hamilton. He lost a further second on the following lap as a result of heavily defending his position against Hamilton.

LOL, it was Hamilton's fault in hungary.

I didn't see the team principle march down and rip the headphones of Anthony Hamilton. Ha

This is great we can return to alonso, i think he needs to realize he is not MS not even close. F1 with Ferrari and Mclaren don't need Alonso as much as he needs them. He needs to man up and be a 2xwdc and less jerk.

cant wait for next year.

F1isFast - 05 November 2009 02:09 PM

LOL, it was Hamilton's fault in hungary.

I didn't see the team principle march down and rip the headphones of Anthony Hamilton. Ha

True. Hamilton doesn't appear to have received any form of meaningful punishment from McLaren for trying to screw Alonso. Quite telling.

RandomName - 05 November 2009 02:38 PM

F1isFast - 05 November 2009 02:09 PM

LOL, it was Hamilton's fault in hungary.

I didn't see the team principle march down and rip the headphones of Anthony Hamilton. Ha

True. Hamilton doesn't appear to have received any form of meaningful punishment from McLaren for trying to screw Alonso. Quite telling.

The reason is that Hamilton's "crime" was to disobey team orders (which of course are banned) in a way that was not obvious and could be addressed privately within the team.

On the other hand, Alonso's response was delivered overtly and incurred the wrath of the FIA.

Isaac Hunt - 05 November 2009 04:54 PM

RandomName - 05 November 2009 02:38 PM

F1isFast - 05 November 2009 02:09 PM

LOL, it was Hamilton's fault in hungary.

I didn't see the team principle march down and rip the headphones of Anthony Hamilton. Ha

True. Hamilton doesn't appear to have received any form of meaningful punishment from McLaren for trying to screw Alonso. Quite telling.

The reason is that Hamilton's "crime" was to disobey team orders (which of course are banned) in a way that was not obvious and could be addressed privately within the team.

On the other hand, Alonso's response was delivered overtly and incurred the wrath of the FIA.

Given the ongoing behavior, it would appear that any prospective internal punishment didn't make much of an impression.

Isaac Hunt - 05 November 2009 04:54 PM

RandomName - 05 November 2009 02:38 PM

F1isFast - 05 November 2009 02:09 PM

LOL, it was Hamilton's fault in hungary.

I didn't see the team principle march down and rip the headphones of Anthony Hamilton. Ha

True. Hamilton doesn't appear to have received any form of meaningful punishment from McLaren for trying to screw Alonso. Quite telling.

The reason is that Hamilton's "crime" was to disobey team orders (which of course are banned) in a way that was not obvious and could be addressed privately within the team.

On the other hand, Alonso's response was delivered overtly and incurred the wrath of the FIA.

Agree with both points 100%.

I think it shows Alonso's balls and Hamilton's do what im told/pr/sterile personality. (did you seem him flying around in a harness like a toddler with a pacifier in his mouth on Inside GP?...cringe worthy)

Love him or hate him, F1 needs more colorful personalities like Alonso....the move in Hungary took balls.

I am not worried about Fred and Ferrari. I think they are a good pairing. Ferrari is the most coveted seat on the grid and Fred is probably the most complete driver. They do deserve each other!

He's had some passionate moments, but I think he is justified most of the time. His comments are truthful or at least his opinion to which he is entitled. I don't see that as not being a 'team player'.

I am looking forward to seeing Fred with Ferrari -- not my sentimental favorite pairing but I expect them to produce good results. Personally I liked Kimi at Ferrari, but he didn't produce as expected.

Please. Do yourselves a favor and look at 2006 in between Shanghai and Suzuka. Read what Alonso said and then what Flavio said AGAIN to refresh your memories.


Google "Alonso" and "alone".

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/54941

I enjoyed this frank statement by Flav just before Suzuka 2006:

And referring to similar comments from Alonso last year (2005), when he had also said he felt 'alone', Briatore played down the significance of his driver's statement.

"Fernando said this already at one point last season as well, you remember. Maybe once a year he has this. Now he has done it, he will be okay for the last two races."

As long as Ferrari knows he has 1 episode each yr and are ready for it, then it's all good.


And then these words just before they got him back from McLaren for 2008 by Flavio are almost prophetic now:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62925

Flavio:

"First of all, after this experience at McLaren, Alonso will think 27 times before facing new adventures in other teams,...And lastly I wonder: would it be positive to team up Alonso and Raikkonen? The time when you could have two strong drivers in the team are over. Now it's important that the roles, number one and two, are clear, otherwise you risk to destabilise the team.

If before signing the contract they told Fernando: 'come with us but you won't have any sort of advantage', he wouldn't have gone.

If you hire a world champion, then you must give him the number one status.

There had been tensions also when he was at Renault, but we got over them because we were always transparent with him.

Dennis has often reiterated to be very good at managing drivers, especially the Latin ones. With the problems he's had with (Ayrton) Senna, (Juan Pablo) Montoya and Alonso, he must have lost the instructions manual... Maybe he did not study Latin at school..."

You look up the word Latin in Webster's and there's a picture of Luca. So no instruction manual needed and they won't have the destabilizing influence of 2 WDC's on the same team because they've already ejected Kimi.

Maybe Luca read Flav's playbook ?

Get set, ready, go !

Hazardous - 05 November 2009 06:56 AM

Seriusly..
you look like a Hamilton and a ITV or BBC fan.. Please.. read before writing here.. put Alonso situation in Mclaren in google.
Weeks ago Martin Whitmarsh said it was TEAM fault.. dont came here and lie..
In Italy they are waiting for FA because Massa and Raikko couldnt win and develop anything.. Kimi was WDC just because Mclaren situation
Ron Dennis in Brazil "Our enemy is no kimi, its Alonso".
If Lewis did not cry in Monaco and Hungary we'll now have a 3 or 4 WDC.
Same thing happen this year with Button and Barrichelo, rubbens got cheated by his own team.. in Brazil he probably had the chance to win that race but in the pit stop "something" happen to his car..

How ironic you would be asking the poster to not come here and lie and you seem content not to follow your own advice.

Whitmarsh never, ever said it was the team's fault. He merely said the team could have handled the situation better. Now that statement is so ambiguous that it is open to interpretation.

He certainly could have meant that the team should have stepped in earlier and managed both drivers rather than allow the free for all that took place.

You seem to think Massa and Raikkonen contributed nothing to the car. And yet, the Renault ended the season pretty much as it started it. So if you really buy in to the idea that the drivers have that large an input into the development of the car, that would mean that both the Renault and Ferrari drivers contributed nothing, and the McLaren drivers contributed a lot. Again, by your reasoning.

oracle - 07 November 2009 11:09 PM

Hazardous - 05 November 2009 06:56 AM

Seriusly..
you look like a Hamilton and a ITV or BBC fan.. Please.. read before writing here.. put Alonso situation in Mclaren in google.
Weeks ago Martin Whitmarsh said it was TEAM fault.. dont came here and lie..
In Italy they are waiting for FA because Massa and Raikko couldnt win and develop anything.. Kimi was WDC just because Mclaren situation
Ron Dennis in Brazil "Our enemy is no kimi, its Alonso".
If Lewis did not cry in Monaco and Hungary we'll now have a 3 or 4 WDC.
Same thing happen this year with Button and Barrichelo, rubbens got cheated by his own team.. in Brazil he probably had the chance to win that race but in the pit stop "something" happen to his car..

How ironic you would be asking the poster to not come here and lie and you seem content not to follow your own advice.

Whitmarsh never, ever said it was the team's fault. He merely said the team could have handled the situation better. Now that statement is so ambiguous that it is open to interpretation.

He certainly could have meant that the team should have stepped in earlier and managed both drivers rather than allow the free for all that took place.

You seem to think Massa and Raikkonen contributed nothing to the car. And yet, the Renault ended the season pretty much as it started it. So if you really buy in to the idea that the drivers have that large an input into the development of the car, that would mean that both the Renault and Ferrari drivers contributed nothing, and the McLaren drivers contributed a lot. Again, by your reasoning.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/sport/formulaone/article_1496741.php/McLaren-still-cries-over-Alonso-s-exit-Massive-regret-Feature

Whitsmarsh "'We failed to manage the situation. It was disappointing,' he added.
Sorry.. but YOU

And.. the difference between Ferrari and Renault in developt the car is in $$$$$$$
Ferrari created a "new" car in Barcelona F60B and renault only broght new packages that didnt work.. I think in only 2 or 3 races.. so.. another...